The Ladder That Never Comes Down:

In my earlier posts, I have leaned on Wittgenstein’s ladder. This is the closing move of the Tractatus, where once you have climbed through the propositions you discard them, because they have “served their purpose”. I have used this language game often enough that I want to look at it more closely, because on the surface it can seem like a weakness. I am using language to point out the limits of language, and I never kick the ladder away. I keep climbing it again post after post. I want to make the case to the reader that this is not a contradiction I have failed to notice. It is a natural feature of the terrain, built into what it means to speak about limits at all.

George Spencer-Brown has a notion he calls re-entry. I have written about this before. You draw a distinction, put a boundary around something, name it, place it in a box. For a while the box holds. Then you notice something the box cannot account for, something that belongs to the distinction itself and not to either side of it. To speak of it, you step outside the box and refer back into the space you just left. In ordinary logic this produces paradox, the thing both is and is not what you said it was. Spencer-Brown’s insight was that this is not a failure of the distinction. It is where a certain stability comes from, not a resting point on one side or the other, but the oscillation itself, the crossing back and forth. You need a reference point, but it is not fixed to either side. If you stand inside the box, the reference point is outside. If you stand outside, the reference point is inside. It is not within the box itself, nor outside of it, it is always the other side of wherever you happen to be standing.

It is the same trouble you find whenever you try to make sense of a situation instead of a distinction. Complexity itself cannot be put in a box, it is not a thing sitting out there waiting to be named. In a constructivist cybernetics, complexity depends on the observer as much as on what is observed. The trouble starts the moment we try to put a situation into words. Words are handles, as Spencer-Brown called them, and naming a situation is the act of trying to fit something that resists boxes into one anyway. Once named, you are still inside it, entangled, too close to see the “whole”. Step outside and you can draw the “whole” shape, but you lose the “texture” of what it feels like to act inside it. You start to lose your grip on it. There is a harder limit underneath this, the one Ashby pointed at with requisite variety. Even if we grant the observer a “perfect” outside view, they would not be able hold the “whole”. This is because the variety in any living situation exceeds what an observer can carry. Making sense of a situation asks for both sides, taken in turn, and refuses to let you settle into either.

For sensemaking, you lean on what has worked before, on the shape of past interactions, and take a cautious step. You do not need to know where you will end up, only the direction you want to move, and each new step tells you something the last one could not. So, when I say truth is provisional, I am naming the fact that “whole”/“perfect”, finished knowledge is not possible. For a cybernetician, this does not stop action. This becomes a pre-requisite as well as the effect. You learn by acting and you act by learning. Acting generates the feedback that lets you correct course. Von Foerster’s cybernetics turns on something like this, that seeing and acting are not separate stages but one loop, each teaching the other.

There is no finish line to this. Meaning is relational, it depends on a boundary and what sits across it. It cannot rest at a fixed point without ceasing to be meaning. What I write here is provisional and good enough for now. It is not finished and it will need to be taken up again. This is where a pluralistic stance comes from, not as courtesy toward other views but as a consequence of provisionality. If no depiction is final, no single depiction can claim the whole ground, and other depictions become necessary rather than merely tolerated. This is also where ethics enters. Once you accept your account is provisional and other accounts sit across your boundary, you are answerable to them in a way a closed, finished account never has to be.

Language is the tool I am using right now to describe a limit that supposedly sits outside its own reach. No word explains itself as many postmodern philosophers talk about. Open a dictionary and any definition is made of other words, each needing still other words, none of them closing the loop by pointing at something outside language entirely. A system built of terms defining other terms will always need to reach outside itself to mean anything, and reaching outside is the move that produces paradox.

Final Arc:

Language gives us a way to speak about a thing. It does not give us the thing, and it does not guarantee that speaking has produced understanding. This is another turn of the same paradox. Since I am using language, right now, to say where language’s authority runs out. I do not see a way to say this without doing it. We can use the ladder to talk about re-entry. A single rung means nothing on its own, it is only a rung because of the rung below it and the one above it, it has to point outside itself, to the rest of the ladder, in order to be what it is.

So, I do not think the answer to the ladder is to finally kick it away and stand on solid, wordless ground. I do not think that ground exists, or if it does, none of us can report back from it in anything but more words. The contradiction is not a mistake I keep making. It is the condition of trying to speak about the limits of speech at all, and every serious attempt to do so runs into the same wall.

Stay Curious and Always keep on learning…


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8 thoughts on “The Ladder That Never Comes Down:

  1. It’s the grammar. Language doesn’t give us a way to speak or to think about things. A community gives things their name. You can use hand signs to “speak” about things. Communication happens before thought and spoken (speech should also be

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    • Hello Jan. I have been working/thinking/acting on this from a phenomenological standpoint. You are correct that we do not need language to speak or think. Look at animals for example. Your body knows things without needing language as Merleu Ponty talked about. We humans specialize in language thinking that language can explain away a lot of things. This is in part a source of a lot of issues.

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  2. Harish, I enjoyed this, and I wonder if the knot loosens further with one reframe: meaning is never conveyed, only constructed. The ladder paradox bites only on a conveyance model — words as conduits asked to carry cargo they’ve just declared they can’t hold. But if words are perturbations that occasion construction in a reader, whose own structure determines what gets built, the contradiction dissolves. You’re not failing to convey the limits of language; you’re occasioning constructions in which those limits become visible from the inside. The ladder was never a vehicle, so there’s nothing to kick away — and each climb is a fresh construction, which is why the climbing never ends.

    Your own sources gesture here. Von Foerster held that the hearer, not the speaker, determines the meaning of an utterance. And your dictionary regress is only troubling if definitions were supposed to deliver meaning; as prompts for construction, the regress is harmless. Even your closing line — speaking doesn’t guarantee understanding — is the thesis stated in the negative.

    One fence: constructed doesn’t mean arbitrary. Construction is disciplined by what arrives and by our coupling to a shared world — which is why constructions converge at all, and why your answerability point survives intact, even sharpened: we’re answerable to other constructors precisely because nothing we say settles what they build.

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    • The ladder mentioned is not a real ladder and neither true nor false. It’s a metaphorical ladder. With a metaphor we “map” from a familiar – source – domain on an unfamiliar – target – domain. I used the metaphor “map”, because the structure of the metaphor accounts for its usefulness.

      We all know about ladders. We can climb a ladder, and this makes the body into the source domain. My point: we think using metaphors BEFORE we utter a sound. Without words we “understand” a ladder, because we’ve climbed them. (Better not stand under them, 🙂 ). This is also the first part of Watzalwick’s first axiom: “all behaviour is communication”.

      I name this “metaphor-in-use”. And it “exists” only in private, when in need of climbing. And, like the structure of the ladder, the structure of the metaphor accounts for its usefulness. Notice that the meaning is all ready “at hand” Zuhandenheit, before we utter a sentence.

      By using a ladder, we communicate with a thing, making it into an object. The meaning of A ladder is in its use. And – Heidegger – only when it breaks down, we notice THE ladder. because it became “useless”. Notice the move from A (thing) to THE (object).

      The “ladder” is useful as a metaphor, because the structure of climbing a ladder in the source domain.

      The second part, and this is actually an invention by human beings, is associating sounds with a metaphor. One needs a community for this. In this case we’ve been instructed to call the ladder by its name “ladder”. I named this Metaphor-Espoused. We can talk about the ladder, even if there’s no ladder present. And we can order a ladder from people we don’t even know.

      (the whole charade started with the use of stones to throw, that’s why we still call them “objects”, from the Latin to throw (iacere). Also in Dutch, by the way. And in each and all other languages. Won’t go into it here)

      Gradually we learned to map concrete metaphors (ladder) on virtual things (ladder of inference). These we call concepts. We can not grasp them, as they only exist in a virtual, communal, ficticious domain, a community, where we act as-if these concepts actually exist.

      There are two issues here: every metaphor hides its structure, which is by its nature incomplete, because we’re only interested in the useful attribures and we hide the fact that we’re using metaphors. And also, we’re not allowed to speak about the hiding process. This is the double we induce as experts, authorities, managers and sometimes leaders.

      Here is also my objection (sic) against the concept of “informationally closed”. It’s concept and has no real application. It follows from the concept of systems, which followed from the concept of machines wich followed from the invention of tools. Information, I showed in my thesis, doesn’t exist in actuallity. Only data – givens – exist. A concept like information can be useful, to talk about “information”, but. like the word suggests, the information is in the form. The form (shape) of a ladder informs us of the practical use of a ladder and the concept can be used to keep the uninformed in the dark.

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